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Author Topic: New version 2019.Q2?  (Read 326 times)
iwaass
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« on: August 07, 2019, 06:20:48 AM »

Hello!

Are there any plans for new version? We are in 2019.Q3 already and every year there were quarterly updates - but not this year.
Any reason for that?
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D.Tkalcec (RTC)
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2019, 06:26:44 AM »

Please, read the "RealThinClient SDK v9.50 (2019.Q1)" topic in the "Downloads" area. There are at least two replies in that post to explain our short-term and long-term plans for RTC SDK.
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iwaass
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2019, 07:33:23 AM »

I have read the statements already some time ago. But this is not really answering my question. What is "short-term" for you - days, weeks, month?
Also I don't understand when you write you will split the product into parts. More and more functions will be removed from the product we all bought -> Legacy.

You also wrote new platforms will be not supported? What are new platforms for you? You will concentrate on Windows Server components only. But what about the clients? A server without clients makes no sense or should your customers look for other client solutions to connect to your server solution? Sounds very strange to me.
And clients are MOBILE today - and not only Windows.

My main question is will you support all platforms which Delphi 10.x are supporting now?
This is the reason why I use Delphi and your components to connect from any device to a server.
  - Windows 32bit
  - Windows 64bit
  - macOS 32bit
  - macOS 64bit
  - iOS 32bit
  - iOS 64bit
  - Android 32bit
  - Android 64bit (soon)
  - Linux

My apps are using your technology to communicate with each other.
This main components are used (I already removed all legacy components):
Server:
  - TRtcHttpServer
  - TRtcServerModule
  - TRtcFunctionGroup
  - TRtcFunction
  - TRtcHttpClient
  - TRtcClientModule
  - TRtcDataset
  - TRtcValue
  - TRtcArray
Client:
  - TRtcHttpClient
  - TRtcClientModule
  - TRtcDataset
  - TRtcValue
  - TRtcArray

I hope you get my point. Just want to continue in the future with your products and expect also full support.
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D.Tkalcec (RTC)
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 10:30:38 AM »

Short-Term basically means "until further notice". There is NO fixed time-frame, but it's definitely measured in months and could even be longer than a year, since it depends entirely on our progress with the new library (see below).

The complete table of all IDEs & Target Platforms supported by the RealThinClient SDK v9.50 is available HERE (click). We plan to continue supporting all the combinations of IDEs and target platforms listed in that table, but ... we do NOT plan to add support for ANY platforms NOT already listed in that table. Also, because we have NO control over future Delphi updates, we can NOT ensure that ALL platforms listed there would continue being supported in all future Delphi releases. In other words, should Embarcadero introduce changes to their RTL which would break compatibility with the current RTC SDK implementation, we might actually reduce the number of supported platforms in future Delphi versions.

Long-term, we will ONLY be supporting Windows (32-bit and 64-bit) as our target platform. We are now working on a new light-weight Delphi library, which is being designed and implemented from the ground-up (not based on the RTC SDK), focused entirely on building high-performance native Windows Servers (32-bit and 64-bit) to host pure Web-Based solutions (HTTP/S), utilizing Web Browsers as our target Clients. Some very basic Client-side functionality will most likely be implemented in the new library, since we'll need that for stress-testing the Server, but it would also be for Windows ONLY and would ONLY include very basic HTTP/S request and response handling. We are still at the early design and development phase of this new library, so ... don't hold your breath.

We will be making a public announcement if there are any more news worth sharing.
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K. Okada (RTC)
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 10:36:55 AM »


> My main question is will you support all platforms which Delphi 10.x are supporting now?

No. We won't .
We are going to support Windows platforms only , in the long run.

The reason #1:
99% of our revenue comes from Windows developers
and dropping support of other platforms (iOS/Android/OSX/and any)
will save us 90% of testing and supporting cost.

The reason #2:
We highly doubt that Delphi can survive as a mulitplatform development IDE.
You know what happend to Kylix , what happend to Delphi .Net .
They are just gone.

We cannot invest on supporting a certain platform,
when we can't believe Delphi would continue supporting it.

>But what about the clients?
>should your customers look for other client solutions
> to connect to your server solution?

Yes, you should start developing your client apps with HTML/javascript ASAP.
Or at least you'd better start researching about it.
It works on all platforms including iOS,Android,Linux,
and I believe that huge companies like Google,Apple,Microsoft,Facebook
all will continue investing on that platform. There's a promised future.

We stopped developing Desktop application with Delphi about 10 years ago
and the transition took us years, but I never regret that.
We now focus on develping Web (HTML/javascript) client applications.

>What is "short-term" for you - days, weeks, month?

Basically we won't add any changes to RTC.
It's now in "maintainance mode", fixed and stable.

You don't have to worry about the risk  that
we give up the entire software component business one day and run away suddenly.
We are here for years to help you if you might have difficulty using your current library features,

We will continue investing on a Delphi Library for server development
although we know Delphi developer base is small and shrinking,
because we still belive Delphi is one of the best language for developing Windows server application
with its native Windows API access and high performance .
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Dany
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2019, 11:23:07 AM »

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We highly doubt that Delphi can survive as a mulitplatform development IDE.

Cannot agree more!

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We stopped developing Desktop application with Delphi about 10 years ago
and the transition took us years, but I never regret that.
We now focus on develping Web (HTML/javascript) client applications.

I can definitely say that i agree! HTML/JS/CSS and a good Pascal => JS compiler. Rocks.
I can recommend to have a look at DWScript.

I will, however, still keep one (bigger) Delphi VCL+DX+RTC application.

Regards and goodspeed.

/D
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iwaass
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2019, 05:06:19 PM »

Hello!

I just read your product description again and it is stated as:
RealThinClient SDK
- Delphi components for building reliable cross-platform HTTP(S) Clients, Servers, Routers, Proxies, Load Balancers & more …
- Some Features: Cross-Platform - Target Windows, Mac OSX, iOS & Android from a single code-base
You referred to an list of supported platforms:
- Win 32/64, macOS 32, iOS 32/64, Android 32

BUT, macOS 32 will be legacy with new version of macOS (this fall) and also Android 32 is already legacy.
So you support now only 2 platforms (Windows and iOS) out of 5 (Windows, macOS, iOS, Android, Linux).
This I would not call "Cross-Platform"..  Roll Eyes

Don't understand me wrong - I LOVE your product - therefore I don't want to loose it.
If you don't want to be "Cross Platform" anymore . you have to write this also in your advertisements.
Otherwise please make your "core" functions available for all supported platforms (web server / client) - PLEASE!

Greetings
 
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D.Tkalcec (RTC)
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2019, 09:09:57 AM »

Man: "Why are you howling at the Moon?"
Wolf: "I'm greeting the Wolf on the Moon."
Man: "You mean ... the Man on the Moon?"
Wolf: "No. The Wolf on the Moon. Why? Do you think there's a Man on the Moon, too?"

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Star5
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2019, 05:23:01 PM »

Using DWScript will waste more time. It is enough to use RtcScript. The main function is still handled in the custom function. Just call it through RtcScript. I packaged a webpascal tool to develop the web project. The effect is good. You can check it out at webpascal.com .

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We highly doubt that Delphi can survive as a mulitplatform development IDE.

Cannot agree more!

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We stopped developing Desktop application with Delphi about 10 years ago
and the transition took us years, but I never regret that.
We now focus on develping Web (HTML/javascript) client applications.

I can definitely say that i agree! HTML/JS/CSS and a good Pascal => JS compiler. Rocks.
I can recommend to have a look at DWScript.

I will, however, still keep one (bigger) Delphi VCL+DX+RTC application.

Regards and goodspeed.

/D
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iland
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2019, 07:15:24 AM »


The reason #1:
99% of our revenue comes from Windows developers
and dropping support of other platforms (iOS/Android/OSX/and any)
will save us 90% of testing and supporting cost.


We stopped developing Desktop application with Delphi about 10 years ago
and the transition took us years, but I never regret that.
We now focus on develping Web (HTML/javascript) client applications.


Hi,

what kind of developers ?
Developers using RTC ?
You save 90% of testing, that's fine for you, but Delphi RTC Developers (Android)?
You stopped Delphi about 10 years.
Why did you buy this real great Software RTC for Delphi ?

Regards
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D.Tkalcec (RTC)
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2019, 07:23:02 AM »

https://rtc.teppi.net/aboutus/

<quote>
Teppi Technology is a Tokyo Japan based independent software developing company, specializing in document management systems , file server search systems and remote access solutions that works with Windows file servers. Teppi Technology was founded in 2000, released the first version of its flagship packaged software “FileBlog” in July, 2007. Since then Teppi Technology has sold products to wide range of enterprise customers with high volume Windows file servers.

We, Teppi Technology have been using RealThinClient SDK since 2008. We began developing web server application with PHP first. But soon we found our enterprise customers suffer from poor performance and unstability. Since then, RTC SDK helped us a lot with its rock solid performance.
</quote>

IOW, Teppi has been using the RealThinClient SDK with Delphi since 2008 (and are still using it today) to develop "FileBlog", a pure web-based remote file management system for Windows file servers.
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